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jasaero said:
I think Stellantis going a bit too far to release order book and other information to Jeep EV certified dealers on the Grand Wagoneer REV without even a peep to Insider+ member more tied to the RAM REV. I am personally more interested in the Truck...but to announce the Jeep version of this truck and not even give Insider+ member any option to apply that perk to a sister brand that tends to be sold along side Ram everywhere is also a big miss.

But even if you aren't going to expand Insider+ to include ANY Stellantis product that is an EREV as it probably should even though it wasn't offered on the Jeep side at the Grand Wagoneer REV announcement time...you need to at least update all Ram REV Insider+ members on the current Ram REV Insider+ status and plans and what we would really get "early" now that we are for sure not going to be "early" as far as Stellantis STLA Frame based EREVs go more broadly.

I am not even all that annoyed the Jeep will all the sudden be out maybe sooner...the annoyance is the lack of communications and updates that were promised even as it become clear the platform it's based on is starting to enter production on a similar product. Really we should get access to this sister product also as part of the perk honestly....but I get that was TECHNICALLY promised so much as RAM only specific stuff.

Anyhow if RAM just wants folks to cancel I suggest they just kill the program and refund everyone if the intention is to have minimal Insider+ events and perks and it turns into some pure early order only kinda perk. That perk was never gonna be great for many of us the way the dealer networks and allocations work anyhow....so most of us were likely doing it more for early access ride and drive and other similar events that could be something that just includes the Jeep product also or only....and no comms as they try letting folks start buying those suggests that's not happening.

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I agree that the lack of communication is the key to the frustration. There is a difference between disappointment (delay, cancel, modification) versus disenfranchization. I can be unhappy with a decision but respect the company's decision because they valued me as a participant. Instead, the general sense is most of the interested people are disenfranchised . I imagine thare are also people who forgot the $100 and moved on.... however those consumers were not the advocates for success - the unhappy people are and now they are .....

Case study's for future business school students.....
 
Well, at least the dealers will have a option of the platform to test drive this way. Maybe if we flood the dealerships to test drive the Jeep and then tell them all we want the truck, they will put the dam thing out! But at least this is a step in the right direction. Now that all the TRX's are starting to hit dealers and all the VLOG's have had their test drives from the TRX, they will finally start getting the REVs in the vloggers hands to get that information out there . . . one can only hope. Maybe the CEO shake-up will help that along. So, how do we find out which dealers are EV certified so we can keep a tab on when they will get their first REVs in to test drive?
 
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Is that what these vehicles would be for? Or are they like the Vipers that were sitting in showrooms for show - not actually test drive. They could have done this with the 1500 REV if they wanted to since they have been production ready for months... ???
 
I am sure some dealers will make them showroom queens, but if they want to sell them, people will need to drive them. There will always be people who will get them without a test drive, but I assume the majority of people will want to see what they are getting. I wish they would have the REVs at dealers to test drive, but they will be in the vloggers hands before they hit dealerships I assume. Get the word out and build the mometum for the release. So I imagine we will see them (Jeep, but hoping for the Ram also) at TFL, etc before the end of September and dealers by October. That is my guesstimate anyway.
 
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I am not even asking for them to get the vehicle out or even give concrete timeline when we can ride and drive or order or anything like that....just give us update on current situation and why a sister vehicle totally based on the same engineering, but not even announced or known about by public until well after our $100 deposits is now about to show up with not a peep about ours. Basically we aren't feeling like "Insiders" at all when dealers just start getting order books for similar enough vehicle and we haven't got an Insider email of any sorts since like September 2025.

Basically I totally get maybe you guys don't know when you will start building the REV...so at least give us access to the Jeep if that's the case.
 
After seeing the ugly state of the EV marketplace and the losses that Ford GM and Stellantis have had, I suspect that they will be risk adverse instead of doubling down and taking a risk on a potentially market changing truck. I don't think RAM will ever make this truck. I hope I am wrong.
 
See my other post, dealers can now order the Grand Wagoneer (same architecture) so there is new hope the 1500 will follow soon after since they can make them on the same factory line.
 
@GEON both Ford, Slate, and others are moving toward the electric motor driven generator based solutions for Trucks. I fear that the longer they wait the market will change underneath them. EV stations are populating the landscape quickly and battery technology makes leaps every year or two. Those are two of the Paradigm Breaking features that set this apart. Couple that with a likely polar political swing in the coming decade and you'll have a situation where no one wants to lug around a fuel tank and I.C.E. .....

I wonder if the Pentastar while super reliable was just not performing to the standards an EV based driver would want (vibration, sound, etc.) when under load. Towing and range was their niche (RAM) and so that would be a miss on marketing if so. (now releasing under a different brand with different market audience would have been a way to get butts in seats and vet out the solution w/o image impact to RAM - i.e. a Chrysler truck or even a Fiat Truck - low risk if you mess it up)
 
Rotorhead said:
See my other post, dealers can now order the Grand Wagoneer (same architecture) so there is new hope the 1500 will follow soon after since they can make them on the same factory line.
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They can make them on the same line technically...but plan is still for RAM and Grand Wagoneer to have separate plants. This is most of why the Jeep is out first. Warren Truck where they make all Wagoneers and nothing else is more under utilized than Sterling Heights(SHAP) where they build most of the RAMs. Exec's had commented that Jeep might be out first cause of quality efforts and smooth switch to 2027 with STLA Frame also getting mixed in on the lines was a lot of things to coordinate and basically made it sound like that will be rougher on the RAM side. I suspect all the new efforts to have myriad of Hemi models is contributing also as they are likely assuming TRX and Bee stuff is more important since that is more the focus of RAM now. So I suspect Jeep this powertrain was just more necessary and needed to keep metal moving where as RAM has Hemi causing all sorts of new interest and adding the REV is complicated as they also near their current staffing level capacity maxes. So they may actually need to do some sorta real expansion of staff levels if REV is popular...but also I think they don't want to mess up the Hemi hype by pushing it as a lot of Hemi customers will crap on this no matter how much better it might be than running a hemi outside possibly sound and reliability. Although the EREV has potential to be more reliable long term with mostly EV drivetrain and ICE to help keep battery in happy charge range.
 
From what I have read, the pentastar was under tuned so I dont think performance was an issue. The reasoning for choosing the pentastar was it was cheap (no longer recovering development costs) and it already fits in the chassis as they are using it in current 1500's. Simply put, it was inexpensive, easy and provided more than enough power needed for what they were looking for. Tim K stated they will make more money on the Hemi's and it didnt make a good business case to allocate manufacturing space to a less profitable vehicle. Same reason they are starting with the Grand Wagoneers, more profit as they are higher cost vehicles in their top spec. I feel this move means the 1500 is coming soon as now one of the issues (manufacturing space) is no longer an issue since they will most likely be on the same line. I think the Rumble Bees, Hemi return and TRX return have been announced and are starting to hit showrooms now, so the noise of all that will start dying down in a month or so, opening up room for new announcements.

Edit, this was posted at the same time as Jasaero, I didnt realize they wouldnt use the same assembly line as the Grand Wagoneer.
 
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They can make them on the same line technically...but plan is still for RAM and Grand Wagoneer to have separate plants. This is most of why the Jeep is out first. Warren Truck where they make all Wagoneers and nothing else is more under utilized than Sterling Heights(SHAP) where they build most of the RAMs. Exec's had commented that Jeep might be out first cause of quality efforts and smooth switch to 2027 with STLA Frame also getting mixed in on the lines was a lot of things to coordinate and basically made it sound like that will be rougher on the RAM side. I suspect all the new efforts to have myriad of Hemi models is contributing also as they are likely assuming TRX and Bee stuff is more important since that is more the focus of RAM now. So I suspect Jeep this powertrain was just more necessary and needed to keep metal moving where as RAM has Hemi causing all sorts of new interest and adding the REV is complicated as they also near their current staffing level capacity maxes. So they may actually need to do some sorta real expansion of staff levels if REV is popular...but also I think they don't want to mess up the Hemi hype by pushing it as a lot of Hemi customers will crap on this no matter how much better it might be than running a hemi outside possibly sound and reliability. Although the EREV has potential to be more reliable long term with mostly EV drivetrain and ICE to help keep battery in happy charge range.
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Well, your point is true already, the Hurricane I6 is already leaps better than the Hemi and the Hemi crowd has screamed "but but but, it doesnt sound like a Hemi" which has driven the reintroduction of the Hemi with zero updates. Frustrating cause Ram has the opportunity to fix the issues and update the very dated Hemi to reintroduce it, but didnt do anything aside from update the voltage architecture. Opportunity miss in my opinion, look at GM with new V8's that will be even more advanced and have more power and torque than the Hemi.
 
This is where consumer driven behavior is not always optimial even for the consumers true desires. Preception is reality for those consumers, and Hemi was markted well from the 90s on when it returned and so has built a 20+ year cult of followers. Couple that with the political polarization and you have a group of consumers that "you can't go wrong for buying a HEMI"....

Granted the Hurricane being newer does have some tweaks due - it is argued to be the better engine for most of the benchmarks - sans "sound/feel"

All that said - the question is how long is "you can't go wrong for buying IBM" going to last....we know it will not. Are the current fuel price dramatic fluctuations going to cause increase in EV interest (evidence says yes based on initial buying behavior) . Is the Jeep showroom vehicle a litmus test to see how consumers who visit these showrooms to buy Jeep or RAM usually (Chrysler and Dodge and Fiat are lower volume) going to respond favorably and when the 1500REV is released not poo poo it?

So many possible questions, variable, etc. The product line owners here really have to make a judgement call with all of these variables. My suggestion, limit the scope of change and fix a few of the variables. That makes your ability to make a decision easier, impact less, and ability to pivot easier. It can also help you market (we aimed to accomplish this first - then you are maybe judged on your decision but not your execution) The latter is much easier to recover from.
 
cgseller said:
@GEON both Ford, Slate, and others are moving toward the electric motor driven generator based solutions for Trucks. I fear that the longer they wait the market will change underneath them. EV stations are populating the landscape quickly and battery technology makes leaps every year or two. Those are two of the Paradigm Breaking features that set this apart. Couple that with a likely polar political swing in the coming decade and you'll have a situation where no one wants to lug around a fuel tank and I.C.E. .....

I wonder if the Pentastar while super reliable was just not performing to the standards an EV based driver would want (vibration, sound, etc.) when under load. Towing and range was their niche (RAM) and so that would be a miss on marketing if so. (now releasing under a different brand with different market audience would have been a way to get butts in seats and vet out the solution w/o image impact to RAM - i.e. a Chrysler truck or even a Fiat Truck - low risk if you mess it up)
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I think the silly part is that it was hinted the Jeep might make it out first, but they framed it as RAM at SHAP vs Jeep at Warren staging for 2027 builds more than any marketing related concerns. But the radio silence to the Insider+ sorts even as the Jeep hits the dealers suggests there is also some level of marketing dynamics ALSO at play. If not they could have sent out Insider+ sorta updates by now I would think. But they are obviously considering HEMI output volumes and demand and trying to satisfy all that before even saying anything about the REV in my view. They are afraid pushing the REV out might both hose up hemi sales and/or make it harder to hit Hemi damand and I am sure Hemi has better margins.
 
The real insiders who are watching us conject and speculate must be rolling their eyes, laughing, or shaking their fist in frustration.... to be a fly on the wall...
 
cgseller said:
The real insiders who are watching us conject and speculate must be rolling their eyes, laughing, or shaking their fist in frustration.... to be a fly on the wall...
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Yeah...there has to be some kinda drama somewhere between those that know this is a bad look and those that just don't care...haha.
 
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