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RAM REV Prototype Spotted
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I'm a bit confused why that matters a whole lot? I only have those at home anyhow at this point without adapters and generally when I leave home with this thing...the general approach will be to avoid chargers and use gas...haha. Seems to be the whole point of them too me. Gas for away from home and electric at home. Even if all the fast charge infrastructure becomes NACS...I don't plan to use it AT ALL with this. Heck generally I want products like this so I can avoid sitting around 10-50 minutes mostly only waiting on energy transfer. I'll buy BEVs when they have all day range and I can sleep while they charge just like I would at home...when I take them away from home.
It is funny if you read that X Post, the guy didnt even know this truck was a thing . . . so yeah, I guess he missed a product announcement. But what is worse is reading the comments, almost nobody know what that truck is or they think it is the original REV and most are saying it was cancelled. Ram really needs to get information out there so people know this is a thing.
You're right it's not as big a deal as it would be if the EREV were an BEV, but it's kinda like someone shipping a product today with a mini-USB port instead of a Type C port. Sure, we all probably have a shoebox full of old min-USB cables, but why make us keep using old cables when everyone else is standardizing on USB C?
Similarly, the automotive industry has consolidated around the NACS port and there are advantages to NACS over the other standards--in particular, vehicle-to-home (V2H) support which is impossible with J1772. I think a lot of folks would appreciate the ability to power their home from their EREV after a storm knocks down the grid, or power a remote work/camping site. J1772 is a technical dead-end, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to ship a new car with it.
Similarly, the automotive industry has consolidated around the NACS port and there are advantages to NACS over the other standards--in particular, vehicle-to-home (V2H) support which is impossible with J1772. I think a lot of folks would appreciate the ability to power their home from their EREV after a storm knocks down the grid, or power a remote work/camping site. J1772 is a technical dead-end, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to ship a new car with it.
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This was always going to be an issue doing what they did cancelling one and then trying to rename the remaining one TOO that. It's bad for the initial launch...but is probably fine if they stick to the product and can get it to selling. This is always a problem with all the Big 3 though...they are too haphazard generally with product names in segments. Something like the Camry or Accord at this point have run off domestic competitors and are still available partly because they haven't changed what product and name they give that product in that segment....EVER. While the Big 3 have each probably had 5-10 labels each with 2-4 brands offering something similar each...haha over the same time.
So hopefully once the REV is actually launch and selling it sells pretty well and gets pretty good rep...so they don't just cancel it soon after...haha. But I am sure folks will also be confused when the Ramcharger all the sudden shows up as a Tahoe/Suburban competitor below the Jeep Grand Wagoneer...but I guess once they are all on the road the peeps will figure it out.
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I can see that also...but it will have CCS also...and that can get used to power a house. From the house powering standpoint and the way the NACS may lead to very standardized and common interface I guess that could be nice. But I am not sure any of that is getting done by the Auto end in a standard way at all. Some are exporting DC from the vehicle and requiring inverter installed in the home, but then others are doing 2 way inverters in the cars. So all the vehicle to home stuff I see as a sorta wild wild west crapshow for a good couple decades here before they all sorta settle on a standardized way to offer that feature...to the point I could careless what connecter is used.
For an EREV like this where I mostly want it to charge at home or act as a home backup...I really wish more than the connector...there were a more standard approach to how these interface with your house/grid/solar as that would be much more helpful if you were looking at a next vehicle. Changing the connector would be much easier than having to redo for a different AC vs DC V2H regime. It seems most have some level of AC output through onboard inversion...but I guess most use DC out if they have CCS to do V2H as it can handle more power than trying to do a bidirectional j1772 maybe? I'm not sure I see NACS as anything like USB-C though...haha. It's a good initial standard for all this tech in the USA...but just won't work in other countries. Although may never get worldwide standard on that since a lot of countries just run 3 phase everywhere more or less. It really would be nice if we just ran 3 phase everywhere here also like they do in Europe. Plugs are a bit more cumbersome running at a 240 minimum...but you save on copper, things are more efficient, and breakers are lower amps and simpler and all the rest.